The Tower of Babble
British comedian Eddie Izzard talks to TIME's Chris Thornton
Time Magazine 15th November 2000

Eddie Izzard has made his career by leaving high heel marks all over conventional thinking. He became famous in the U.K. for his stream-of-consciousness, unscripted and hilarious performances. Then he came out as a transvestite — he calls himself a male lesbian — while still managing to turn on fans of both sexes. And when many of his comic contemporaries were heading for Hollywood, he went to France, armed only with some schoolboy French and the will to be witty in a foreign language. TIME caught up with him in Vienna, where he is filming a cross-dressing World War II comedy, "All the Queen's Men" ("The Guns of Navarone" meets "Some Like It Hot"), with Friends star Matt Le Blanc.

TIME: What possessed you to do stand-up in French?

Izzard: I learned French at school and then dumped it. I also became sort of hip at the turn of the 1990s [to the idea] that the European thing needs to have a vision. We needed to have some people putting forward a vision. Because it's a very difficult thing that's happening in Europe, with mature democracies and baby democracies and all with huge 2,000-year-old historical backgrounds choosing to come together — even though we don't really know what we're saying to each other. Having been a street performer, I'd played to international audiences. I came to this big theory that comedy is universal — it is human and not national. I'm going to Germany next. I've planned to do German, Spanish and Italian. There are so many languages in Europe, it's going to be difficult to learn them all.

TIME: Was the idea to prove your theory then?

Izzard: I thought if I start doing gigs in French, I can prove something to myself and maybe it sort of proves ... we're all a mixture in Europe anyway — in Britain, of Celts and Roman stuff and Normans and Danes and Angles and Saxons. Anyone was bloody invading and having sex with each other up to 1066, and then all of the refugees since then. The idea of us all being so desperately separate is just false, I think. I thought the only way that Europe is going to come together is if we get into this melting pot thing. Our main energy it seems since Alexander the Great up to World War II has been put into murdering each other. We are the best in the world at murdering. If you need murderers come to Europe, we've murdered each other in the most unusual ways. It actually takes a lot of energy to do that instead of having creative thoughts or making something wonderful or useful. We all think of Nobel: "Oh, Nobel Prize, that's nice." But he invented dynamite. The coming together thing is so much more positive.

We need a leader of Europe. We've got the Commission in Brussels and it's all these people appointed by their Prime Ministers. Who are these people? What are they doing? Who are they accountable to? We don't know. It's not democratic. So I say, let's have a leader of Europe. If we're going to come together and work together let's have someone running the thing because we all respond to a single leader. I think all the leaders of all the 15 countries in the European Union should have an election. They go round all the countries, just like in the U.S. We elect one of them to run the thing and the rest of them become like a cabinet. Then if we don't like what this guy's done after four years, or what this woman's done, we throw them out and we get someone else in.

TIME: You've fronted a pro-E.U. campaign for the British Government. Are you comfortable in that sort of political arena?

Izzard: I was one of a number of people. My whole thing has been, we've got to be up there driving Europe. We've got a lot invention and energy in Britain. Let's be up there in the driving seat. Otherwise, it's going to be set up and then 10 years down the line we're going to say, "Oh my God, we should really be a member of this." And then we say, "Can we be part of the euro?" And they say, "We've already sorted everything out. So sit at the back."

We all like to travel. Even the biggest xenophobe in Europe loves to travel. A completely racist English individual will go down to Spain, and unfortunately for the racist there are Spanish there, but he loves to go there. In the same xenophobic way they'll hate different countries — Germany, France or whatever — but then if a German player comes and plays for their football team they'll love that guy. Through sport and travel the younger generation is growing up thinking, "Oh stuff all this old way of hatred, let's go and see what's happening in these countries." The younger generation is just going to pull it off anyway. It's gonna happen. So I think we've got to get out there and start the melting pot thing. Europe has got to come together because it's the only way to stop these endless bloody wars happening. Europe has got to come together because if we can do it, the rest of the world can do it.

TIME: What attracts you to Europe?

Izzard: I'm attracted by the history. I like people. I have quite a lot of energy and I like looking at the big picture. Europe is like an unmade story. And now is the time for it to happen. The younger generation is coming through. We don't have the baggage of having killed people, because that was our grandfathers' generation and that's sort of passing. Generally the vast majority of people want peace, a good place for their kids to grow up, a healthy life. This is the idea of something that is no longer conquering. It's people talking and communicating and coming together. It's very modern, very mature, very boring. It's incredibly boring.

TIME: If it's so dull why are you so passionate about it?

Izzard: I see the big vision. I think the sexy side is that we can come together and have a democratic united Europe. We will give such a legacy to our kids and our kids' kids. Generations to come will have peace, strong economies, millions of people working together. We will also have people with different languages learning how to communicate and how to give and take words. And understanding that a French person is not someone from outer space, they're just someone 26 miles away from Dover.

 

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Eight hours' hols for busy Izzi - Eddie Izzard talks a lot on stage but rarely gives interviews. However, Showbusiness Reporter GORDON BARR tracked him down for this exclusive chat

Newcastle Evening Chronicle

HOLIDAYS are at the forefront of Eddie Izzard's mind.

When we chat, he is coming to the end of his acclaimed run in the hit West End play Lenny and is gearing up for his national stand-up tour.

And, in between, he is going to have a holiday.

"Eight hours of sheer bliss," he sighs. "That's my holiday for the year. I'll finish on the Saturday and start again on the Sunday, so I'd better make the most of it."

You can't deny Eddie, at Newcastle City Hall on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday as part of the city's Comedy Festival, is something of a workaholic.

Film, stage, TV - this year he's done it all, and there appears to be little let-up in demand for him.

A few years back, Eddie, probably now Britain's best-known transvestite, was a cult figure, known only to students and a few "trendy" bods.

These days he is one of Britain's top comedians, selling out venues wherever he appears.

His current tour, Circle, has had its critics. Some fans left earlier performances disappointed, saying much of the material was old hat.

Eddie has apologised, but the show that hits Newcastle next week will no doubt be very different to those at the start of the tour.

"I never write material on cue," he says. "I just make it up as I go along and I make no apologies for that.

"There may be central themes, but my show is different from night to night.

"I just ad-lib. New thoughts come into my head and if something works I'll remember it for the next night.

"Anyone who has seen my shows knows that I go off at tangents. I can't help myself. Sometimes I find I'm doing it and there's just no stopping me.

"What can you do? And I believe my shows get better as the tour goes on - it's improvisation of a sort."

Eddie had to learn a new discipline in his role as Lenny, based on the life of the legendary American comic Lenny Bruce, which went down a storm in London.

"I needed terrific discipline," he admits. "Sometimes I wouldn't be disciplined enough and would start ad-libbing. "

"The temptation to go off at a tangent was always there."

"There was more pressure. "

"I was acting, I was playing someone else."

"Everyone has their own idea of what they thought Lenny was like, and I was supposed to be him on stage. Frightening! "

"He was the godfather of alternative comedy, but he also had a tragic life."

"There was immense pressure, but it was gratifying at the same time to be given the chance to do it."

The reviews, on the whole, were flattering. "I never read reviews until about two weeks after they've appeared," reveals Eddie.

"And I do take on board some of the things they say, if I think they're worth their salt. If not, I just rip them up."

Don't be surprised if there's an element of the current beef row in Eddie's show.

He is a staunch supporter of all things European, but just what his stance on the current crisis may be is anyone's guess.

Our interview took place before the current furore, and Eddie believes we Britons should stop moaning about Europe and accept we are a member of it.

"We never have any problems going there for our holidays, so why is there so much fuss about becoming more integrated with Europe?" he says.

"We seem to have this thing about being superior to Europe, but if you take a look around Britain now, we ARE Europe."

"We have Continental-style cafes, relaxed licensing laws in some places - it's time we just accepted it."

"I'm also in favour of the euro. To me, it marks progress and is not regressive. "

"And I'll be trying to put that message across in my show, too."

"I always have some politics in my shows, but I won't go on and on about it. That's not what people come to hear."

"They might not understand what I'm talking about some of the time, but I'm sure they don't want to be blasted with politics from every corner."

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OK. Let me make one thing clear right at the beginning, because I have a horrible feeling that it won't seem like it later on.

I really really liked the Eddie Izzard show "Circle"  which I saw on Thursday, March 23, at Chicago's Royal George Theater. It was a fun way to spend an evening, and I'm definitely glad that I went.

That said ... it was definitely an odd evening at the theater.

I did go in with two questions to start with. First, why was the new show called "Circle"--easy enough question to answer, you'd think. The second, why was the logo for the show on the poster a large black silk rose. That last was just an idle question, of course. I was also expecting something along the lines of what we saw in the HBO special, a show about 75 minutes long in one act. This was not, as it turned out, what I got, which was both good and bad.

The oddness began with the theater itself. The Royal George wasn't quite what I was expecting. I thought it would be a more typical theater, somewhat largish with relatively gently graded slope upward for its seating--that is, each row just a bit higher and offset from the row ahead, and so on. However, the Royal George has full stadium seating, with each seat up on a separate step from the one below. People have absolutely no problem seeing over the heads of the people in front of them, unless they're absolutely miniscule. And each tier was wide enough to provide, like, actual leg room. People could pass each other without causing too many difficulties.

Totally cool.

Meanwhile, down in Row 3, two little old ladies (OK, OK, maybe later middle age--mid to upper 50s--but "little old ladies" sounds so much BETTER!) pushed the term "casual dress" to its limits. Both were wearing black t-shirts with large white lettering. The first read simply "IZZARD RULES!" on the front. The second read "Let them eat cake" on the front and "Cake or Death!" on the back--both lines from "Dress to Kill", Izzard's recent New York and HBO show.

I also noticed that the ventilation was set to "hurricane". I mean, clothes were blowing in the breeze, the woman next to me had hair that was standing straight up from the force of it. It turned out that this was because in order to hear Izzard, who, even with a microphone, is relatively soft-spoken, ventilation is turned completely off during the show itself, and left off until intermission.

And then the music came up (loud, thumpy stuff) and then he was ON! Boy, was he on! Actually, after a few minutes, I was wondering just WHAT he was on.

The energy in the show (I hate that new-agey phrase, but I can't think of anything better) was very very ... odd. The first 5-10 minutes of his act is basically one long run-on sentence done at about 10 million words per minute; after a few minutes, all I could think was "Someone get this guy a Valium!" Between his accent (which in and of itself isn't all that difficult to understand), the speed of his delivery and the fact that he was almost literally bouncing off the walls--he wanders all over the stage, not always with any sort of point, so it's a good thing that he wears a headset microphone--it really does take nearly ten minutes before you can consistently understand most of what he's saying.

The other thing that threw people, almost immediately, was his dress. Or rather, the fact that he wasn't wearing one. Most of the people in the Chicago audience would know him only from his HBO "Dress to Kill" show, in which he wore a lovely patterned silk cheong-sam Oriental twin set, clearly identifiable as women's clothing. In this show, he wore what can only be thought of as dressed-down glam: black western style shirt and black pants with colorful (sometimes sequined) piping on most of the seams and edges. Also, the highest heels on a pair of not-quite-platform boots that I have EVER seen in my life, probably five-to-seven-inch platform heels; I couldn't figure out what kept him from falling forward off the stage whenever he walked. In any event, glam or not, he was quite identifiably dressed as a man; for an audience expecting an "executive transvestite", this was mildly confusing at first. (And apparently a change for the American tour--it may well have been a change in Chicago, since, according to another review--referenced later--he talked about this a bit in the preview show. According to earlier audiences from Britain, he started out with a lovely leather skirt set (which was apparently a royal pain, which may, to some extent, explain part of the costume change).

He started out by talking about the differences between the American cities he'd visited so far, a sort of "get acquainted" segment--the sort of thing that allowed people to get used to the way he talked without really needing to absorb too much; I think he's had just a bit of experience with American audiences not being able to understand him at first. Once people seemed to be comfortable, he launched into an all-out assault on British sport and the Guinness Book of Records, and the idiotic things that people can do to get into it. (He went into great detail describing what it must have been like for the man who got the record for the most drinking straws in his mouth by dislocating his jaw! ick! and the man who had a world record for bees in the mouth--apparently, it seems, the mouth is a really favored place for sticking unusual things.) He talked about how the British invent all sorts of sports just so that someone else can be good at them (apparently the invention of downhill skiing involved a British man, a couple of cross-country skis rather abruptly repurposed, a sled and a bear). Then, somehow, cows wandered into the monologue ... and then he got lost.

He literally stood up on stage, stared out over the audience, and then said, "I don't believe it, I've fucking lost my place. What was I talking about again?" He looked offstage, but whatever he was looking for, it wasn't there. After a few rather startled moments in which the people in the front row realized he really did mean for them to prompt him, they threw his cows lines back again, and he was off and running.

During the first half of the show, he completely lost track of what he was saying at least three or four times, and it was so severe that the only conclusions that could be drawn were that he was either on drugs or that he was totally exhausted (not that these are completely exclusive, of course). And either way, it was terribly shocking; if this had been the first day or two of a show, going dry like that could have been understandable, but not only was this the second week of the Chicago run, but he'd had the show going for a couple of weeks in Toronto before that, and a few weeks in Britain before THAT. Granted that he clearly doesn't work off a script--he's a bit too freeform for that to even be a possibility for this show--nonetheless, after at least 20-30 performances, he should have his themes and sequences locked into his brain. One or two missed lines might be understandable; more than that seems to say that something isn't quite right.

Nonetheless, he did have several very funny bits scattered throughout the act. For example, he talked about the Queen Mother, and how she's going to be 100 this year, and how when you reach that age, after you've done the Official Wave and been to Official Waving School for umpteen years, you should be allowed to make any hand gesture you want, so taht if she felt like it, the queen Mum could give people the finger instead of the Wave (the physical comedy attached to this was just perfect). And then there was a bit about God Spend The Queen, that historical nonfunctioning anachronism. (His words, thanks.) And then he talked about the destruction of modern British society by "Lady Thatcher, That Cunt ... but thank God she died." (moment of thoroughly confused silence from the audience.) "Well, think about it. She's got that chicken neck, and if you cut off a chicken's head, it can wander around for years afterward. Clearly, someone cut off her head, put it back on, and forgot to tell her." And so on about modern British society until intermission.


It was a this point that I realized that something odd was going on, not related to Izzard at all. I realized that I was suddenly unusually itchy. And that the person seated in front of me was a practitioner of the skank 'ho school of perfumerie. (To wit: spritz lightly on one wrist, and rub the other lightly against it. Place a drop on the pulse point at your throat. Spritz a cloud into the air and walk through it as it falls. Decide that this ia all too damned discreet. Dump the bottle over your head. Find another bottle and put it on the parts of you that the first bottle missed. Go out and remain oblivious to the fact that everyone near you is coming down with unusually severe cases of asthma, even when they never had asthma before.)

Basically, I'd just discovered the one and only perfume that I've ever found that I'm allergic to. What wonderful timing! But yr intrepid interviewer did not let such extraneous things interfere with the enjoyment of the show! (Actually, I was saved by intermission, when she went out, and the air conditioning went back up to "hurricane". And, thankfully, it didn't turn off completely after intermission.)


Perfumerie aside, the thing that really surprised me was that the first act of "Circle" ran as long as ALL of HBO's "Dress to Kill". (There was, it turned out, a reason for that, which I'll get into a bit later.)

The second act was much more entertaining, and moved much better than the first act. In the second act, he introduced his main idea, that of charting the development of the world from pre-prehistoric times through the Crucifixion and thence to modern times. At first, I really did wonder why he didn't reverse the sequence of his acts, if that was his theme. After all, it would make much more sense to start with prehistory, and then move into modern times with the Olympics and British sport and society and cows and whatnot. And I still didn't get the "circle" part.

The second act was just much more tightly put together than the first, and his extended sequence about God and his sons Calvin and Jesus were just hysterical. (Calvin, you see, came first. He tried to be the savior for the dinosaurs, but that really didn't work quite the way they intended, and then God got all absent minded and threw a meteor at them, so that was the end of that. Then Calvin tried to save the Neanderthals, and that didn't work out well either, so he retired in a huff to paint planets. To paint them, you understand, not pictures of them. Then this Jesus fellow entered the picture, and then he got caught having to explain this whole crucifixion thing, which didn't really work out the way they planned, either. Apparently the whole last supper deal was just a bit too cannibalistic for God's taste, as he was trying to get mankind away from this whole "let's eat each other" concept.)

This somehow led to Darth Vader. Well, what really happened was that Aristotle led to the Crucifixion led to Europe, which led to the Black Plague, which led to the Renaissance which led to the Protestant reformation, which led to Henry VIII--who didn't really have anything to do with the Protestant Reformation, aside from wanting to do in a few wives--which led to the founding of America, which led to Darth Vader. Izzard then went into an extended suite on the difficulties Darth would have getting food in his own death star. (Including an interesting little discursion into the difficulties that Europeans have with the portion sizes of American food and the fact that we seem to like grotesque quantities of ice in everything liquid.)

Abrupt end of show.

then he came out to do a brief encore, opened with his trademark silencing the audience wave. And, I must admit, I remember not a word of the encore, although I do remember being rather startled that it was lifted directly from some part of "Dress to Kill".

Still and all, but for a few flaws, it was a basically enjoyable evening.

Now for a bit of a post-mortem dissection.

The next day, while out at a restaurant, I read a review of the show in the Chicago Reader, and a couple of things became a little more clear. First, he probably really is exhausted. He did a one-man show called "Lenny" (about Lenny Bruce) in Britain, which was apparently a complete tour-de-force; that show will be coming to Broadway next year. Quite literally the day after "Lenny" closed, he started the "Circle" tour. He hasn't taken more than a week off since then, if that; much of his time off has been taken up with travel and arrangements and whatnot. He's quite literally exhausted, and I must admit, I don't understand why he's putting himself through a schedule quite this insane.

Another thing I'd wondered about was the rather surprising length of this show and why the HBO show had been so much shorter. It turns out that HBO cut a full hour from the stage version of "Dress to Kill". The hour that, coincidentally, forms the last hour of "Circle"; the modern section of his travels through history section is lifted completely from "Dress to Kill", including the Darth Vader in the Cafeteria bit.

To some extent, why he did that can be understood. Most people in the US and elsewhere simply haven't seen all of his show, and given that he was already performing in "Lenny", finding the time to make "Circle" as good or extensive as "Dress to Kill" must have been almost impossible. He also had to know that if he appeared anywhere with a show that consisted only of the first act of "Circle", he'd not only get shredded by critics everywhere,but that he'd disappoint people so badly that advance word would have killed the tour. Given those circumstances, sticking the end of one show onto the end of the other must have seemed a no-brainer.

He's taking two weeks off between Chicago and Philadelphia, and I hope he uses that time to sculpt "Circle" into something closer to what he must want it to be. That, and I hope it's enough time for him to recharge his batteries. He's going from Philadelphia to New York on one day's rest, which sounds like a drastic mistake to me, given what I saw here.

If you saw "Dress to Kill" on stage, I suspect you'll want to skip this one. After all, who needs to pay that much money to see it again? For anyone else, however, I do want to say once again that it really was an very enjoyable evening in the theatre. When he was on, he was very very on, and the bits from "Dress to Kill" were very good. Since I hadn't seen them before, I didn't feel at all cheated. If you've seen "Dress to Kill" on HBO, you'll enjoy this, although it's not overall as interesting. It's definitely worth the money, I thought.

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